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i soften my time machine I feel like it

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needs a blast blast blast off come blast

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off your moustache in there I feel like

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blast off lights and unexplained

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phenomena roam our skies above our heads

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and yet right under our noses

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these possibly aerial threats as they're

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called

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or after something and what that

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something is can be hard to pinpoint

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cattle mutilations crop circles

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abductions they're all evidence that

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something is taking place on today's

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episode we will speak with well an

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amazing first hand experience er gaining

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knowledge of how his sighting and

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every great once in a while a case like

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this one we are going to discuss comes

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around it's a case so amazing and

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intriguing that society grabs a hold of

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it and won't let go when honesty and

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facts add up and lend credence to an

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experience so mind-boggling that the

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only real human reaction is to analyze

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it and learn more well we have that in

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this case the Pascagoula abduction case

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and sighting occurred in 1973 when

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co-workers Charles Hickson and Calvin

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Parker were abducted by aliens while

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fishing near Pascagoula Mississippi it

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was a different kind of case the

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incident immediately got media attention

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and has been among the top three to five

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UFO cases depending on who you talk to

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ever reported we are blessed enough to

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have Calvin Parker talking with us this

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episode and outlining how everything

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went down nearly gosh 45 46 years ago

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almost 45 and shedding light on possibly

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the most mysterious and intriguing form

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of

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in contact this century has possibly

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ever documented so without further ado

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the man with the plan

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fishing rod in hand mr. Calvin Parker

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welcome to the hero paranormal podcast

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Society grabs hold of a case like yours

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and it's one that is it brings in the

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human factor in my opinion and the facts

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add up and I just wanted a lot of people

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know about the Pascagoula case and it

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was immediately

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I mean drew attention you didn't want it

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to draw attention and that I think

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brings more credence to your your case

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but can you kind of go through the

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events that evening and and maybe even

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the evening before or you know that the

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things that led up to it and and however

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how it all went down I know that some

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listeners don't know all the details but

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how that evening started out anyway

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Calvin could you go into detail on how

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that went

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yes sir I can matter of fact I go back

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the day before I was working in the

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whole field 16 hours a day going to get

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married in the power of November so well

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let's say I got a health-code anyhow I

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was don't get married November the 9th

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this was in October so I called a friend

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up mass for a job and this was in 1973

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yet the FP Walker and son shift our he

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said we'll come on down take your pistol

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go to work my very first day of only job

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was October 11 to 73 we worked all day

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what we got ready to get off he decided

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to get one there's no fish and asked me

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if I wanted to go I said sure you know

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that I love the fish and we just go so

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we left work and we went by

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his house efficient equipment and we

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went to an old place called the

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saltpeter shipyard it was an abandoned

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shipyard so well he but it was no

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trespassing signs honest first thing I

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asked him I said you know Charlie

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there's no trespassing signs here and I

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don't think we ought to be fishing there

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he said no son it's ok we can fish there

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I fish there many times before so we

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went ahead was walking in the first

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thing I noticed was all the debris

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laying around in the shipyard were in

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here explaining where the tide comes in

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and though the water gets up there

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brings us stuff in there when it leaves

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and goes out and just leaves it

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deposited on the bait so I took it and I

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was satisfied there so we went to the

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pier we drove to no longer setting out

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of here well being my first day working

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in the shipyard

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I was looking across the river the

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Pascagoula River and I noticed I was a

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big Coast Guard Cutter or maybe a NOAA

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Ship it was one another that said back

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there and I was thinking to myself and I

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had a steel float you know something

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made out of steel float because it's

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heavy and we've been big known it all

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day long with a hammer and that's what

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was going through my mind when I notice

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from aha me there was some hazy blue

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lights reflected out across the water

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and that was the same color as the

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police cars down here the blue lights so

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I thought maybe there was temping to

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rubble is also put us in jail for

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trespassing because I didn't know if he

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was telling me the truth but not about

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the trespassing part and I wish it

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hadn't been the law coming to pick us up

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so immediately we both stood up and

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turned around to see what was going on

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and these hazy blue lights turned into a

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big bright spotlight one of the

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brightest lights I've ever said about

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I don't know this time just shined I was

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just kind of enclosed around this well

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immediately we was kind of you know you

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get a lot higher than guys you don't

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scratch up a little bit and have a

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little problem seeing two guys could

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adjust so we was going through the eye

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adjustments and ER I was I don't know

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about Charlie and I know this they was

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three creatures coming toward us

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and I couldn't really make out the face

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or anything and you clearly got a little

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closer and two of them got ahold of

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Charlie and one of them got ahold of

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myself and immediately I felt an

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injection into my arm and what that was

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it had to be some kind of tranquilizers

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what they bigger died at the emergency

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room or something because all it just

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knocked a fear out and but it also

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paralyzed me I couldn't move nothing now

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I can turn my head and move in I can

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roll my eyes I can still see I can hear

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and I can smell you know the smells

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around but I just couldn't look at this

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time he picked us up and he carried us

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picked me up and carried me to the door

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of this crap that was sitting I floated

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me toward the snow and they put this

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down or hop I'll stop for a minute and I

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remember looking in to say what oh where

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the lights was coming from because if we

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still swallowed a nice big spotlight and

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it well I think was coming out of pain

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it's just illuminating out of the pain

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and then he kind of got me a maybe left

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turn we went down the hall a little way

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and gentle open the right hand side that

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was the door and he turned us and we

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would still he still had me by the arm

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and I noticed the only thing in this

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room that I could see was like a glass

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looking table and he carried me over to

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this table and lay

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here on the table and I was late a

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little bit of an angel on this table so

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well but I was laying on my back so I

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could look up and this thing that

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carried me in as I'm calling him the big

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ugly one just kind of back up in a

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corner and shut down so that made me

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think this was a robotic some kind of

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robotic creature he was great I had

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scared kind of like an elephant or a

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manatee and look like he had mittens on

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his hands but when he backed in that

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corner it just shut down just like a

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machine would shut now like to turn the

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switch off hold him and while I was

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laying on this table I was looking up

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and I noticed something about the size

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of a deck of cards came out of the

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ceiling and it stopped about a foot

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maybe a foot and a half two foot from my

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face and it started revolving around my

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head and every time it revolved it would

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clear so then it got up in front of my

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head and it paused

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they shot right back up into the ceiling

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and just disappeared

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well I sense the presence I didn't see

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nothing right there but I just said that

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there was somebody else in the room and

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I turned my head kind of to the right

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and started looking and there was this

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song I'm calling it a female looking

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creature now I don't know it was female

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or male or what it was but I just said

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that this was a female creature that was

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coming in and she looked kind of human

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she had a eyes nose ears mouth a little

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bit of hat and you know but I couldn't

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see any breasts or anything to

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distinguish any kind of sex over until

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later on you know I recognize the boy

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salute yeah but uh she came over and her

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hands she grabbed me took her hands and

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kind of grabbed me by the chica I didn't

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feel any kind of sensation in her hands

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but I did notice our overhead over and

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uh note

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her two middle fingers was a little

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longer than normal and she took her

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other hand as she pushed down on my

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cheek and then she took their other

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fingers and she brought them down my

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throat

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straight down behind this little deal

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that hangs down and try to come up into

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my nasal cavities I guess I don't know

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what I was back then I lined up was on

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mm-hmm out of my mouth out of her nose

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and when was she saying I was into race

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and I was she pulled her hand down and

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telepathically and this was in a

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female's noise in English just like we

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speak they're here in the South you know

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kind of a southern slang a little bit

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hmm

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now I think that can kind of disguise

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her boys were they don't not as scary to

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you as she said we're not going to harm

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you and you know I was thinking to

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myself well it's just a little bit late

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for that but she did this in a way that

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I felt comfortable where because you

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know any any time you're choking and

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bleeding you want to hear you know

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they're not gonna kill you but I lost it

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she backed up out of the way a little

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bit

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and she made a go a mumbling noise from

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her throat and I'm just rise describe

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this noise in the south we have

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alligators down here and during the

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spring they do a mating call and it's

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low growth and you can hear it all but

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across video there got carried for miles

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and that's what this kind of sounded

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like to me and when they did they're so

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big ugly one that was standing in the

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corner he came alive and jumped up like

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a jack-in-the-box and come over and

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dragged me back neither arm again and I

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felt another injection well

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automatically that kind of took the edge

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she bats don't up out of the water no he

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proceeded to carry me out and he took me

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back to the river and sent me down all

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and almost the same spot except I was

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standing facing the river that it didn't

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you up to you well by that time Charlie

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was on the ground and he got up and he

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said son son you okay well I kind of

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contained of my sentence a little bit

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and I turned around and he was dead and

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Charlie was standing that mother so I

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turn around and look and this thing just

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picked up off the ground

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real slow for little ways just made a

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little whistling noise then it shot up

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into the air like a streak of lightning

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just ball-less disappeared

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well by then we knew the danger was over

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so we decided to all set out and talk

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about it for a minute so we both agreed

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right there we're not going to tell

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anybody about this because back in the

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seventies people would think you're

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crazy

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and keep in mind there was no cellphones

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back in or you had to be rich to have

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one and I was far from that and no

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social media so we figured the best

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thing to do was there from the south and

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takes a lot of ridicule like we did and

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may fish to get married in November we

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just wasn't gonna say that

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but we said it and talked about that for

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a second we left to went back and get in

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the car when I got to the car I'll

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notice the windows on the passenger side

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was all shattered in place and the call

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was really hard to cray and that was a

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brand new caller back in but we finally

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got it right now didn't run right

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because what had happened to graphite it

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in the club wash what a mechanic tony

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has separated and it was from a magnetic

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field or let's go clear or something it

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was in there but anyhow the car got

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cranked

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we got in it lay off and we was going

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back home and only

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way home they say the store and they

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have blue walls here so the store wasn't

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open but it was the payphone hanging on

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the outside they said I need to make a

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phone call

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well I thought he was just gonna call

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his wife and talk to her for a minute

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but he got out we hunted some chains

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understood to the car we got got a dime

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right there he dropped it in the phone

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well I didn't listen to his side of the

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conversation right there

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but he come back to the car he said they

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said they didn't handle nothing like

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this no more :

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both or ities and I said who is they he

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said Keesler Air Force Base I said

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Charlie we agreed not to talk about this

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to nobody or tell nobody stay in just

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shut down Project Blue Book you know so

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where was this happened just after there

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sorry said I I need to make another call

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he raced and got another dime went back

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onto the phone and he called but this

347
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time he called the local sheriff's

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department which that would be the

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Jackson County South Department they

350
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said we'll stand my other eye for just a

351
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few minutes and they said two officers

352
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out they looked inside the car you know

353
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I was driving so Louis not really

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concerned about quality

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they just got advanced in the car and

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asked me if I've been drinking I said no

357
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so they got me out give us a little

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field sobriety test and they said we'll

359
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follow us to the self department so we

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00:18:44,350 --> 00:18:41,570
followed him back to be y'all Jackson

361
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County Sheriff Department and they stood

362
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:46,960
us up and put us both in different rooms

363
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they took Charlie to a room and took me

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to her birth and they asked me well

365
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what's going on I said we'll tell her I

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don't really know what's going on myself

367
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What did he say and he said well I need

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to know what's doing them you tell me

369
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what's happening here ice as far as I

370
00:19:10,899 --> 00:19:08,750
know that to me is we went fishing well

371
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Charlie was back there still

372
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just to these other deputies then they

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Turkish have put us in the same room

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together and this is for what they call

375
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the secret tape came out they haven't

376
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the tape recorder hand in the room where

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all we didn't know what it was in there

378
00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:29,299
and they put this in another say what we

379
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talked about it was a little laugh

380
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amount and to carry on about it well we

381
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did talk between ourselves about what

382
00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:40,220
was going on little bit and they could

383
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see the fear or hear the fear and our

384
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:45,799
voices and all when they let us enter in

385
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there for a few minutes then they came

386
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in the door and I could shut up Charlie

387
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and they played and then got the tape

388
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recorder the sheriff there then he

389
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walked outside and they listened to it

390
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:02,419
and he come back and all she said you

391
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know I know something's going on with

392
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y'all I want to talk to know more about

393
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this in the morning once don't go home

394
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and get some rest I said we'll look if

395
00:20:19,899 --> 00:20:16,460
you know what's going on we need to see

396
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a doctor because I don't want I want my

397
00:20:24,849 --> 00:20:22,279
state of Palo missions and I sent him

398
00:20:27,099 --> 00:20:24,859
come back down and they quarantined our

399
00:20:29,589 --> 00:20:27,109
astronauts for seven days not even your

400
00:20:32,499 --> 00:20:29,599
wife stays here so I was starting to get

401
00:20:34,810 --> 00:20:32,509
concerned about some kind of infection

402
00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:34,820
that would have hurt somebody else I

403
00:20:39,609 --> 00:20:36,769
wasn't concerned about myself that much

404
00:20:41,349 --> 00:20:39,619
but I was concerned about giving it to

405
00:20:44,979 --> 00:20:41,359
somebody else I was concerned about

406
00:20:48,249 --> 00:20:44,989
radiation because my father worked for

407
00:20:50,379 --> 00:20:48,259
the Atomic Energy Commission and is all

408
00:20:53,589 --> 00:20:50,389
about radiation and I didn't know these

409
00:20:56,159 --> 00:20:53,599
things might put it off or not they said

410
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well we'll talk about all this later and

411
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:00,169
we went on home I got to the house and I

412
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:03,200
went in my room and I went in to take a

413
00:21:07,930 --> 00:21:05,570
shower I pulled all my clothes off and I

414
00:21:10,239 --> 00:21:07,940
put the paper bag a wet and plastic bags

415
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:10,249
back in something all my clothes

416
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including my shoes

417
00:21:16,210 --> 00:21:14,330
I took a gallon of the bleach and I got

418
00:21:18,159 --> 00:21:16,220
in the shower and I pour this over my

419
00:21:21,849 --> 00:21:18,169
head and rubbed it all over my body the

420
00:21:24,430 --> 00:21:21,859
best bet Pakistan me and this you know

421
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:24,440
got off it up got out

422
00:21:31,780 --> 00:21:27,470
clean clothes pick this bag up carried

423
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:31,790
it to the dumpster oh don't you well we

424
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:34,970
went to bay at all but not got up the

425
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,210
next morning and I walked in there and

426
00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:40,880
Charlie was already up of course I

427
00:21:45,790 --> 00:21:42,950
didn't sleeping in I said you ready to

428
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:45,800
go to work he said yeah we left going to

429
00:21:51,670 --> 00:21:50,090
work now I didn't know how many cars was

430
00:21:54,430 --> 00:21:51,680
supposed to be there because this is

431
00:21:58,120 --> 00:21:54,440
just my second day at work but they was

432
00:22:03,460 --> 00:21:58,130
all kind of cars at the shipyard it was

433
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:03,470
all these uplink bans for the TV news

434
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:06,320
and all had their big tall sub written

435
00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:09,650
up the satellites the same and I still

436
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:11,990
didn't put two and two together what was

437
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:14,330
going on I thought it was just something

438
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:17,090
shared ignored was doing so we branched

439
00:22:22,860 --> 00:22:20,720
it in with tor workstation and we

440
00:22:25,810 --> 00:22:22,870
weren't there just a few minutes and

441
00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:25,820
they called her name on the PA speaking

442
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:27,980
they said somebody there to get us total

443
00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:31,130
terms of office so when we got to the

444
00:22:37,030 --> 00:22:34,130
office the owner of video company said

445
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:37,040
we we don't have to do don't have to

446
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:40,370
give a press release or do something

447
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:42,530
would you not convert any kind of

448
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,130
business in this office today because we

449
00:22:49,390 --> 00:22:48,080
can't even get a phone line in because

450
00:22:51,940 --> 00:22:49,400
the phone just rings

451
00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:51,950
we got people we don't even know coming

452
00:22:59,020 --> 00:22:54,470
into the office to the yard y'all can't

453
00:23:01,080 --> 00:22:59,030
even go out on the yard and work because

454
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:01,090
people's gonna be asking you questions

455
00:23:08,350 --> 00:23:05,600
well I knew then that something somebody

456
00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:08,360
had spilt remains now I didn't know if

457
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:10,070
it was Charlie or the Sheriff Department

458
00:23:14,170 --> 00:23:11,690
or who it was

459
00:23:16,570 --> 00:23:14,180
well it had to be Charlie to start with

460
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:16,580
me the department did tell because I

461
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:18,530
wouldn't I know I didn't tell him

462
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:22,490
anything so the people we work for

463
00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:27,200
Center Oh company attorney over they

464
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:29,150
said man with Charlie and he worked up a

465
00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:32,050
press release they get my press release

466
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:34,910
well by that time the Sheriff Department

467
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:37,980
had already showed up back there

468
00:23:43,659 --> 00:23:39,679
the deputies and the sheriff

469
00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:43,669
investigated this and he said look

470
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:46,830
you're right my lady touch over to the

471
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:49,799
emergency room and get your check so the

472
00:23:54,139 --> 00:23:52,260
load is up in the patrol car and they

473
00:23:56,690 --> 00:23:54,149
left and they went to the Jackson County

474
00:23:59,600 --> 00:23:56,700
or the Salmon River Hospital to the

475
00:24:04,090 --> 00:23:59,610
emergency room and they did a thorough

476
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:04,100
examination blood work and all this and

477
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:06,840
the doctor come out he said everything

478
00:24:12,980 --> 00:24:11,010
looks okay then the sheriff said we are

479
00:24:15,379 --> 00:24:12,990
the deputy that pictures up him

480
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:15,389
I've got orders to take y'all to kill

481
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,450
you and get you check for radiation and

482
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:20,960
kiss her was after Force Base which

483
00:24:28,639 --> 00:24:25,320
probably was 30 miles from where we were

484
00:24:31,850 --> 00:24:28,649
mm-hmm so he got in there we went

485
00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:31,860
straight to kiss her they had a MP made

486
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:33,960
us at the gate and we just followed him

487
00:24:38,299 --> 00:24:35,510
on back in the back

488
00:24:40,940 --> 00:24:38,309
well we went to get out he told

489
00:24:43,730 --> 00:24:40,950
everybody else set in the car we pulled

490
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:43,740
up and I say no not six guys in hazmat

491
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:46,440
suits they got us out of the car they

492
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,539
took us up sectors of whatever they

493
00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:51,360
check his where for radiation what I'm

494
00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:52,590
saying all clear

495
00:24:58,970 --> 00:24:54,870
well when they said that they pulled

496
00:25:01,629 --> 00:24:58,980
their row hazmat suits on and they say

497
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:01,639
blue they want to see y'all in the

498
00:25:07,149 --> 00:25:04,440
meeting room it's all the way down this

499
00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:07,159
hall right here to bury Mack

500
00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:10,980
so we won't know how I was afraid not to

501
00:25:17,379 --> 00:25:13,590
comply with them in because what will I

502
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:17,389
be done doc you know something going on

503
00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:20,880
we walk down that hall and they had

504
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:24,419
several uniformed officers enough from

505
00:25:30,620 --> 00:25:27,779
the service from the Air Force and then

506
00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:30,630
though they had every Police Department

507
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:33,720
on three there's three counties on the

508
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:36,510
Gulf Coast all the sheriff's was down

509
00:25:41,779 --> 00:25:39,090
here all the mayor's from the police

510
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,789
department was down here well they took

511
00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:43,919
his back they interrogated just I

512
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:46,919
wouldn't say interrogated asked us what

513
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:49,529
went on and that was extremely nice

514
00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:51,049
about everything

515
00:25:57,519 --> 00:25:54,710
oh that touch just told him I didn't

516
00:26:02,350 --> 00:25:57,529
know I did not want nothing to do with

517
00:26:06,009 --> 00:26:02,360
this and so I just told him I really

518
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:06,019
didn't know didn't remember passed out

519
00:26:12,850 --> 00:26:10,100
some I told him something there was you

520
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:12,860
know something besides the truth because

521
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:14,600
I didn't feel like the truth needed to

522
00:26:21,369 --> 00:26:17,840
be told right to him they said well

523
00:26:22,769 --> 00:26:21,379
don't go so we got went back out and got

524
00:26:28,869 --> 00:26:22,779
in a patrol car

525
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:28,879
and we laughed and we water the depth it

526
00:26:34,269 --> 00:26:31,070
took us back to the shipyard what was

527
00:26:36,249 --> 00:26:34,279
working and he said on you don't wave

528
00:26:39,820 --> 00:26:36,259
right yet there's somebody you know that

529
00:26:43,419 --> 00:26:39,830
wants to see you and I thought oh gosh

530
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,429
this is gonna go wrong so we went in and

531
00:26:48,930 --> 00:26:46,159
of course dr. John Allen Hynek which was

532
00:26:52,419 --> 00:26:48,940
over Project Blue Book but not in a

533
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:52,429
fishel capacity was that Aaron dr. John

534
00:27:00,009 --> 00:26:56,690
Allen Hynek dr. Hajra that was over Alto

535
00:27:02,590 --> 00:27:00,019
which he was a doctor he was there to

536
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:02,600
talk to us now how they got there that

537
00:27:09,639 --> 00:27:05,809
past this was the next morning I have no

538
00:27:14,259 --> 00:27:09,649
idea but they did so dr. Hynek took me

539
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:14,269
first and talked to me while law dr.

540
00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:16,970
Harley took Charlie back give him talk

541
00:27:21,849 --> 00:27:19,190
to him give me the physical and all that

542
00:27:24,669 --> 00:27:21,859
then they just kind of swapped up and I

543
00:27:28,269 --> 00:27:24,679
went back to dr. harder and Charlie

544
00:27:31,239 --> 00:27:28,279
within there were dr. Hackney well when

545
00:27:34,690 --> 00:27:31,249
they got food on dr. Harlan says I'm I

546
00:27:37,389 --> 00:27:34,700
need to go to the side to get them back

547
00:27:41,529 --> 00:27:37,399
over here in the morning I was thinking

548
00:27:43,749 --> 00:27:41,539
sure you know I'll do that then I kind

549
00:27:46,869 --> 00:27:43,759
of open up and talk to dr. Hynek a

550
00:27:49,330 --> 00:27:46,879
little bit about what went on because

551
00:27:51,369 --> 00:27:49,340
you know he was just that reassuring of

552
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:51,379
a person that I never felt comfortable

553
00:27:57,899 --> 00:27:54,799
around here so we left we went home we

554
00:28:01,359 --> 00:27:57,909
got up the next morning went back in

555
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:01,369
when I remember dr. Hynek being upset

556
00:28:06,989 --> 00:28:04,480
because they didn't ribbon off

557
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:06,999
what I would call the crime saying cuz

558
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:08,980
that's what it was because we was

559
00:28:15,239 --> 00:28:12,190
abducted against our will and its tended

560
00:28:17,549 --> 00:28:15,249
to like I told somebody my first day at

561
00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:17,559
work the very first day on the job I got

562
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:20,590
a physical I got fired and they got a

563
00:28:24,899 --> 00:28:24,159
dirty and nice that's kind of what

564
00:28:27,899 --> 00:28:24,909
happened

565
00:28:30,869 --> 00:28:27,909
well they got through it alone the

566
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:30,879
shipyard it dies over [\h__\h] Johnson when

567
00:28:37,229 --> 00:28:34,710
y'all need to take a few days off cause

568
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:37,239
you know y'all might we'll be able to

569
00:28:46,259 --> 00:28:42,609
work here because the people is linked

570
00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:46,269
leave you alone and I understand that I

571
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:49,480
didn't want any disruptions so I got in

572
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:53,679
a car and I went back to law Mississippi

573
00:28:59,159 --> 00:28:56,559
because my head talked to my family yet

574
00:29:00,840 --> 00:28:59,169
had talked him none of my friends hadn't

575
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:00,850
talked to my parents I did the girl I

576
00:29:07,529 --> 00:29:04,090
was engaged to but I went back to law

577
00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:07,539
and the thing about it they knew about

578
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:10,149
what had happened I was just glad to see

579
00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:13,570
me and nobody asked me what happened so

580
00:29:19,349 --> 00:29:17,080
up until I made the book last year I've

581
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:19,359
never talked about it to anyone I kept

582
00:29:24,539 --> 00:29:20,169
my mouth shut

583
00:29:27,629 --> 00:29:24,549
the news media would come in on start

584
00:29:29,399 --> 00:29:27,639
asking questions and if you told them

585
00:29:31,769 --> 00:29:29,409
something he gave some kind of little

586
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,779
press release or something there just

587
00:29:37,529 --> 00:29:33,960
make it bigger than what it was or

588
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:37,539
change it to what it was so I was

589
00:29:42,539 --> 00:29:40,049
discouraged with the news media and

590
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:42,549
camera lot Donald Trump's there's fake

591
00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:45,129
news you know I that's what they was

592
00:29:52,529 --> 00:29:49,720
doing with me so I chose not to tell my

593
00:30:00,139 --> 00:29:52,539
family I chose not to tell my friends

594
00:30:07,349 --> 00:30:04,560
left and I told the girl I was engaged

595
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:07,359
to November 2 that we're supposed to get

596
00:30:11,009 --> 00:30:10,570
me that I'd be back then we'd get

597
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:11,019
married

598
00:30:16,409 --> 00:30:13,570
and by then I'd have a job somewhere in

599
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:16,419
a place to live and we'd go there and

600
00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:17,410
that's what I do

601
00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:19,990
less than a month later you know came

602
00:30:25,460 --> 00:30:22,360
back we got married we got in the car I

603
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:25,470
went back to work in the oil field and

604
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:28,450
we just followed that around then I

605
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:30,310
found him out a little construction

606
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,710
company and I moved back to the

607
00:30:38,550 --> 00:30:35,440
Mississippi Gulf Coast because I was

608
00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:38,560
plenty of work here but had in public I

609
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:41,080
never would call my name out I never

610
00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:43,290
would let nobody know who I was

611
00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:46,120
so you know I kept it quiet I didn't

612
00:30:52,530 --> 00:30:49,420
even tell my wife married to her 45

613
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:52,540
years I kept it secret from her now she

614
00:30:57,330 --> 00:30:55,030
knew I had been abducted or went through

615
00:31:01,410 --> 00:30:57,340
something but I never sat down and told

616
00:31:03,570 --> 00:31:01,420
her the story well one day we had a

617
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:03,580
neighbor passed away you'd like to say

618
00:31:07,170 --> 00:31:05,050
my neighbors didn't know who it was

619
00:31:10,530 --> 00:31:07,180
because I wouldn't go by my real name

620
00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:10,540
around here and we had a neighbor pass

621
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:14,860
away and we went to the wake and this

622
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:24,850
was this dog 2017 yeah 2017 and we went

623
00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:26,770
to the break and I messed up and I sign

624
00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:29,080
my real name on the register you know we

625
00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:32,230
as a guest you know coming out whatever

626
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:35,500
you do matter about how to recognize her

627
00:31:42,270 --> 00:31:39,310
my name this is 45 years later and they

628
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:42,280
come up and started asking questions and

629
00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:46,510
that's like a total you know this is not

630
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:49,150
the place to talk about this this man's

631
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:51,160
wife sitting there his daughters in

632
00:31:55,740 --> 00:31:53,530
there and they grieve it and we need to

633
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,750
respect our feelings and not put the

634
00:32:00,960 --> 00:31:58,320
attention on your own mind me or myself

635
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:00,970
so man my wife went out we got in the

636
00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:04,500
truck left on the way home she said look

637
00:32:09,930 --> 00:32:07,270
you need to write a book people want to

638
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:09,940
know about you this has been 45 years

639
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:12,730
you never talked about it no more you

640
00:32:19,290 --> 00:32:15,510
had to you know you just blow them all

641
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:19,300
and people really want to know they

642
00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:22,480
really care what happened maybe you need

643
00:32:27,690 --> 00:32:24,790
to write a book I said no one in I don't

644
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:27,700
have the education to write a book and I

645
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:28,470
didn't either

646
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:31,770
how much of an education and I said

647
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:34,530
there's no way that I could set there me

648
00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:36,120
write a book because I just don't know

649
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:41,190
how well she we time to let it die and I

650
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:43,620
figured she would forget about this in a

651
00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:46,710
better cake it was just a passing thing

652
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:49,950
well just so happened the very next day

653
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:52,289
it was just like everything fell right

654
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:56,039
into place I got a call from Philip

655
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,200
mental publisher in the UK and they said

656
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:03,840
I wanted to talk about me Charlie had

657
00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:07,200
reasonable and everybody keep in mind

658
00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:09,780
Charlie his cheapest thing alive for

659
00:33:14,419 --> 00:33:12,059
years he was going to lectures and

660
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:14,429
conferences and talking about it riding

661
00:33:23,149 --> 00:33:19,799
a bull and but I didn't I wanted to stay

662
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:23,159
out of the spotlight so Philip mental

663
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:25,710
called the next day he managed to find

664
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:30,960
me through a friend and asked me wanted

665
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:32,850
to ask me some questions about Charlie's

666
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:33,450
bull

667
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:36,809
I said well Philip you're asking the

668
00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:38,760
wrong one because I've never read the

669
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:41,280
book not going to read II don't even

670
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:44,220
have a copy of it don't want a copy of

671
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:47,460
it with this day they sent me one but

672
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:50,820
I'm still at ready and because I thought

673
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:52,620
Charlie was someone that broke this

674
00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:56,760
story to no taste look Alan why why

675
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,460
don't you write a book I said I don't

676
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,440
have the education to write one I don't

677
00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:03,919
want to deal with this bull right now I

678
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:06,270
said I know what happened and that's

679
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:09,300
enough was still at this time I had

680
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:11,849
never talked to my wife or my family or

681
00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:14,339
my friends about it he said would think

682
00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:16,859
about it for about a week and I called

683
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:19,820
you back well when I hung the phone up

684
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:24,450
and like to say sort of the UK so I just

685
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:26,760
couldn't home his phone number or my

686
00:34:32,180 --> 00:34:30,359
caller ID ain't no answer and I was

687
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:32,190
downloading my boat up on the trailer

688
00:34:36,379 --> 00:34:34,169
one day and the phone can wrong and it

689
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:36,389
wrong and it kept ringing it I thought

690
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:38,760
something might be wrong at home but I

691
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:40,770
was holding a rope with one

692
00:34:45,590 --> 00:34:43,740
and I Pig my phone with other and just

693
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:45,600
answered without looking at the caller

694
00:34:53,330 --> 00:34:51,060
ID it was Philip mental and I didn't

695
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:53,340
want to be rude and hang up on him so I

696
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:55,020
listened to him what have you thought

697
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:56,399
about writing a book

698
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:00,000
he said I'll think about this let me

699
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:02,910
explain it to you when you need to you

700
00:35:08,330 --> 00:35:05,190
told me that the press changes your

701
00:35:11,060 --> 00:35:08,340
stories all the time that it's nothing

702
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:11,070
like you tell them most of the time so

703
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:13,890
where you're right he said this book is

704
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:17,370
your legacy you put it back in why in a

705
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:19,770
book let him get your story man they

706
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:20,910
can't change it

707
00:35:26,050 --> 00:35:23,370
that's the way that it is well he

708
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:26,060
started making a little sense to me then

709
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:29,940
and we Center and talked I said will

710
00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:32,970
Philip you know here's the data I don't

711
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,180
have a education your rideable paces

712
00:35:42,110 --> 00:35:38,760
well I'll help you up

713
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:42,120
I'll get you on the right track you know

714
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:45,180
I'll tell you what to write about in the

715
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:47,460
first chapter in the second chapter he

716
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:49,290
said the first chapter just tell about

717
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:52,500
yourself who you are then a second one

718
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:55,980
tell how you met Charlie how long you

719
00:36:02,540 --> 00:35:57,690
known him and the third tell your

720
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:02,550
deduction then so and so so I said well

721
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:07,110
I'll do this under one condition I said

722
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,140
I'm not a writer I never did like

723
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:12,000
English or a little tear or anything

724
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:12,780
like that

725
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:17,070
oh if you don't change any word in that

726
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:20,760
book if you don't change nothing I don't

727
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:24,090
want you to correct a misspelled work to

728
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:26,130
the punch selection mark in where it is

729
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:29,550
not one ASA but I agree I won't do it

730
00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:31,890
well but what you write is what you're

731
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:35,580
gonna get where the man stood by his

732
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:37,380
word not one of ahead let's do it the

733
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:41,610
bull and I come in on told my wife I

734
00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:43,530
said look you don't want me to do a book

735
00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:45,750
I hadn't talked to you about what's

736
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:49,230
happening fella wants me to do a book I

737
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:52,740
don't want to do this book but the

738
00:36:57,260 --> 00:36:53,760
college will pay

739
00:37:00,050 --> 00:36:57,270
surround the house I am I said I'm going

740
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:00,060
to my office in the back so I'm closing

741
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:04,890
my door once a day bring me something to

742
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:08,940
eat and keep you something to drink back

743
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:13,020
to water tea or something and I did not

744
00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:14,850
want to answer the phone or talk on the

745
00:37:21,340 --> 00:37:18,150
phone so I come back and got on my

746
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:21,350
little computer and done some pen notes

747
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:26,910
and started on the bull about two weeks

748
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:28,980
time I was finished with it well the

749
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:30,870
first time I sent him in the field

750
00:37:36,260 --> 00:37:34,050
he's heavy Mac he said you know I told

751
00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:36,270
you to change your heading nothing his

752
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:39,480
this is quite a mist and it was I didn't

753
00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:43,260
in trying to do it he said oh they sing

754
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:45,300
let me just highlight a few things that

755
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:48,930
you need to do and I said no the way it

756
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:50,970
is it's the way it is this is the way

757
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,460
we're running you got the book you won't

758
00:37:58,900 --> 00:37:55,560
hear one that's not the book she wanted

759
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:58,910
I'm not changing it to me and I didn't

760
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:02,520
we put it on we was printed on putting

761
00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:06,960
it on the market in September of 2008

762
00:38:14,060 --> 00:38:11,430
came but instead he said it said it in

763
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:14,070
for publishing his eye he had a

764
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:16,050
published for descended in for printing

765
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:20,820
to Amazon and in July and they

766
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:23,400
accidentally released the book for a few

767
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,510
days in July book sales went wild I

768
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:30,000
would have never believed it actually I

769
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:32,370
fit and I wouldn't sell but terrible so

770
00:38:37,070 --> 00:38:35,310
we wouldn't and then it would be to my

771
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:37,080
family I'd had to buy them and hand them

772
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:38,940
out to my family and I wouldn't have to

773
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:42,510
sit there and tell them stories but but

774
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:45,980
it got temporarily released in July and

775
00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:49,560
as many copies have sold it was in four

776
00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:52,940
days it was on the best north list

777
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:55,950
Philip called me and I was don't take

778
00:39:01,100 --> 00:38:58,530
the book off the market but I'm just

779
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:01,110
gonna have to slow down myself and we're

780
00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:04,740
gonna have to get everything straight

781
00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:07,160
here because it's just seven to good

782
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:13,070
ready go and it was and the more this

783
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:15,410
first book which is passed go to the

784
00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:17,990
closest encounter my story Calvin parks

785
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:22,550
the more all we got into the book the

786
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:25,010
more witnesses that we started having

787
00:39:29,170 --> 00:39:26,720
coming forward more people that

788
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:29,180
knowledge I went to my first book

789
00:39:38,890 --> 00:39:37,280
signing October the 11th at 2018 and you

790
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:38,900
know we did the book you coming out in

791
00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:43,370
July September and October and I went to

792
00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:44,390
a book signing

793
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:47,000
they was people they had to shut the

794
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:50,570
streets down in Pascagoula to keep

795
00:39:53,950 --> 00:39:52,250
people out of the streets

796
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:53,960
that was curved all the way around the

797
00:39:58,720 --> 00:39:57,050
ball I ain't never seen so much interest

798
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:58,730
in anything in my life

799
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:02,480
of course I had been living here people

800
00:40:07,810 --> 00:40:05,090
you knew that I was here but they didn't

801
00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:07,820
know where and the people that did know

802
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:10,280
me didn't know my real name here and

803
00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:13,370
when I came out I don't know how many

804
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,760
books resigned estudian through that at

805
00:40:22,810 --> 00:40:19,520
night and went on way up into the night

806
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:22,820
and I finally just got tired until the

807
00:40:29,650 --> 00:40:28,010
next and we had extended over and you

808
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:29,660
know is there a roller coaster ever

809
00:40:35,110 --> 00:40:31,910
since they said we've had our witnesses

810
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:35,120
come home work we've had a law

811
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:38,330
enforcement come fold that stated that

812
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:41,690
night and we had talked to the

813
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:43,970
dispatcher that was on duty that night

814
00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:47,510
that very night if this happened to us

815
00:40:55,180 --> 00:40:51,560
now this is right before he knew about

816
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:55,190
our cases he had 50 calls of people

817
00:41:01,150 --> 00:40:58,490
reporting for dinner five Florin object

818
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:01,160
after he said he got so tired about

819
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:03,050
Merida's that ninety couldn't already

820
00:41:11,020 --> 00:41:05,930
standing and that's kind of what led to

821
00:41:13,450 --> 00:41:11,030
the second Bull the next book is like

822
00:41:16,420 --> 00:41:13,460
Asperger love the story continues new

823
00:41:19,450 --> 00:41:16,430
evidence and new witnesses so Phillips

824
00:41:20,410 --> 00:41:19,460
like a bloodhound dog she got onto the

825
00:41:24,999 --> 00:41:20,420
case here

826
00:41:27,819 --> 00:41:25,009
and he he's the evidence that I didn't

827
00:41:30,489 --> 00:41:27,829
know people had they've been witnesses

828
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:30,499
come forward on their own credible

829
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:34,910
witnesses and you know like military law

830
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:37,970
enforcement preachers are just your

831
00:41:42,940 --> 00:41:41,180
average person that live here the first

832
00:41:45,489 --> 00:41:42,950
one that came forward was just by

833
00:41:49,089 --> 00:41:45,499
mistake but when she came out of the

834
00:41:52,749 --> 00:41:49,099
woodwork everybody did and what happened

835
00:41:56,049 --> 00:41:52,759
Fox News come down to the interview this

836
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,059
lady's daughter say no the interview on

837
00:42:00,910 --> 00:41:58,640
Fox News and her daughter just made a

838
00:42:02,890 --> 00:42:00,920
comment well my mother seen this that

839
00:42:05,710 --> 00:42:02,900
night had happened she's always morning

840
00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:05,720
to make mr. Parker you know how people

841
00:42:11,259 --> 00:42:08,230
are comment under something what

842
00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:11,269
happened to say the comment and he got a

843
00:42:17,140 --> 00:42:13,940
hold of this girl's daughter on contact

844
00:42:20,890 --> 00:42:17,150
information for her it wasn't liked like

845
00:42:23,769 --> 00:42:20,900
this lady approaches and she finally get

846
00:42:27,789 --> 00:42:23,779
some contact information and Philip and

847
00:42:32,049 --> 00:42:27,799
Irene Scott got a hold over and wanted

848
00:42:35,259 --> 00:42:32,059
to do a in-depth interview with her and

849
00:42:38,349 --> 00:42:35,269
then I would go meet her after this and

850
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,359
that's got it all started there and when

851
00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:40,400
she come out and this wasn't something

852
00:42:44,499 --> 00:42:43,220
she wanted to do either her husband told

853
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:44,509
her and you know people's don't thank

854
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:46,970
you crazy you don't want to do this but

855
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:49,849
she was right across the river seen this

856
00:42:56,289 --> 00:42:52,970
thing leaning over their sacks I said

857
00:42:58,509 --> 00:42:56,299
the crowd actually seen the beads and as

858
00:43:01,120 --> 00:42:58,519
she was her husband went to work that

859
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,130
she was walking back from the boat she

860
00:43:07,930 --> 00:43:03,440
actually said one in the water and he

861
00:43:11,410 --> 00:43:07,940
did take and the Coast Guard that night

862
00:43:14,289 --> 00:43:11,420
they called a Coast Guard Cutter out now

863
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:14,299
I had wasn't that not but it was two

864
00:43:22,749 --> 00:43:17,180
three nights later a Coast Guard Cutter

865
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:22,759
went out and they took all a rod a [\h__\h]

866
00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:25,730
and there was something under water and

867
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:28,430
they mount this thing with a rod and it

868
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:30,200
just shot out like a streak of lightning

869
00:43:36,610 --> 00:43:33,110
and they said and it's all in the book

870
00:43:38,770 --> 00:43:36,620
where they invented reports on it so it

871
00:43:41,770 --> 00:43:38,780
you know with credible witnesses to come

872
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:41,780
forward and a lot of but back in the

873
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:45,680
seventies people wouldn't come forward

874
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,150
with something like there's not people

875
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:49,760
for Mississippi you know because usually

876
00:43:53,590 --> 00:43:51,830
if you lived in Mississippi and worked

877
00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:53,600
around here you had a bad name meaning

878
00:43:58,780 --> 00:43:56,390
I'll run a world rest of the world so

879
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,790
people didn't walk too well they really

880
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,280
killed around here and that's one reason

881
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:03,520
I kept my mouth shut

882
00:44:09,010 --> 00:44:06,770
one one reason I did want to say that

883
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:09,020
interest I was engaged to get married

884
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,800
her daddy was pretty strict you know

885
00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:14,480
what everything's different man you got

886
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:17,000
your social media can find out more I

887
00:44:24,070 --> 00:44:20,510
didn't know back in what a lien was or

888
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:24,080
your opponent actually I thought it was

889
00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:27,650
somebody we got a angle shipyard and

890
00:44:32,050 --> 00:44:30,380
they build ships the military I thought

891
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:32,060
they might be working on some kind of

892
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:34,130
experimental project a couple of

893
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,890
rednecks got out drinking beer in it and

894
00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:38,960
wanted to have some fun and you know

895
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:42,590
went around and did this you know I had

896
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:45,650
considered that but then I found out

897
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:46,970
there was nothing like that in the

898
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:51,050
workings but that kind of catches up a

899
00:44:55,930 --> 00:44:53,570
little bit till today except you know

900
00:45:00,040 --> 00:44:55,940
for the other book since then I take a

901
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:00,050
lie detector test boy stress test Ben's

902
00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:02,710
here because three different times and

903
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:06,230
what the hypnosis does a lot of people

904
00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:09,440
don't believe it it and I really didn't

905
00:45:14,830 --> 00:45:12,260
myself but it sharpens your memory of

906
00:45:18,270 --> 00:45:14,840
what you saying and what you might not

907
00:45:23,230 --> 00:45:18,280
saying that night nor clarifies things

908
00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:23,240
so we'll you know that's that's what we

909
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:30,190
are today yeah that it's amazing how a

910
00:45:41,110 --> 00:45:34,730
lot of people saw the ship leaving as

911
00:45:46,510 --> 00:45:41,120
you mentioned and back in 1973 I this

912
00:45:50,350 --> 00:45:46,520
did you I believe you said that

913
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:50,360
it was kind of a foolish moon is that

914
00:45:55,590 --> 00:45:52,250
correct and did you get a good look at

915
00:45:59,020 --> 00:45:55,600
the ship yes sir

916
00:46:02,140 --> 00:45:59,030
well the last was so bad it was hard you

917
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:02,150
know and it was a good full moon it was

918
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:04,090
a harvest moon that night

919
00:46:11,230 --> 00:46:08,810
but uh the ship I'm guessing man it's

920
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:11,240
hard to tell with all that life was

921
00:46:18,070 --> 00:46:14,150
going on I'm guessing it was 80 100 foot

922
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:18,080
long maybe and probably 10 or 12 foot

923
00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:22,130
high now on the inside the only place I

924
00:46:27,690 --> 00:46:24,140
said was this Hall in this examination

925
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:27,700
room but I didn't see any instruments

926
00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:31,970
the only living being I think I seen was

927
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:34,150
the one that runner painted on my throat

928
00:46:40,510 --> 00:46:37,970
and then I send this robotic looking

929
00:46:43,930 --> 00:46:40,520
machine the big ugly one sitting over in

930
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:43,940
the corner but all and the snail

931
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:46,490
somebody aspirin did you have any could

932
00:46:52,450 --> 00:46:49,550
you spare any snails well it's like I

933
00:46:55,450 --> 00:46:52,460
explained to him we got a bogey plant

934
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:55,460
here and they go out and they bring in

935
00:46:59,890 --> 00:46:57,170
these pogies and literally the moenay's

936
00:47:02,010 --> 00:46:59,900
boat said my days without ice momentum I

937
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:02,020
can't figure out it they drowned a boat

938
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:04,910
and it's a bad smell over in that

939
00:47:10,930 --> 00:47:07,250
direction then yeah and you can't smell

940
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:10,940
anything else what you get that odor any

941
00:47:24,130 --> 00:47:14,510
notes and so you know it could have been

942
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:24,140
something I don't know and you had after

943
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:26,810
this this is interesting you had if I'm

944
00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:31,370
not mistaken were interviewed by Hynek

945
00:47:39,010 --> 00:47:34,430
and what did you think of him I mean

946
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:39,020
obviously you you you had a lot going on

947
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:42,050
in a short period of time there and it

948
00:47:51,490 --> 00:47:46,400
yeah it must have been just overwhelming

949
00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:51,500
like all of it it was at the time

950
00:47:58,599 --> 00:47:54,350
I just later on found out you know he

951
00:48:02,859 --> 00:47:58,609
was over Project Blue Book and Ospina we

952
00:48:04,809 --> 00:48:02,869
to wall this UFO Congress to a

953
00:48:08,259 --> 00:48:04,819
convention they had and I got to me

954
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:08,269
discern tall honey but I had talked to

955
00:48:13,809 --> 00:48:10,940
Paul on the phone one time couldn't turn

956
00:48:15,819 --> 00:48:13,819
on it gave me his phone number and I

957
00:48:18,099 --> 00:48:15,829
called their Hall was just a little

958
00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:18,109
bitty thing in just barely enough to

959
00:48:24,099 --> 00:48:20,630
work big enough to answer the phone and

960
00:48:27,249 --> 00:48:24,109
take a message where it's dead and I I

961
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:27,259
asked Paul I said did you ever get the

962
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,170
death stare from your daddy okay so why

963
00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:32,960
why us tonight they said not really he

964
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:35,150
said why are you asking us because he

965
00:48:42,339 --> 00:48:39,529
said this chair and he put his chin on

966
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:42,349
his hand and he just stared at me like

967
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:44,950
he was looking all the way through me

968
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:48,650
but he was taking mental notes itself

969
00:48:56,529 --> 00:48:51,910
because I say the man was brilliant and

970
00:48:59,410 --> 00:48:56,539
you know he was last time lost enough

971
00:49:02,079 --> 00:48:59,420
Divac he wouldn't crack a smile he

972
00:49:06,670 --> 00:49:02,089
wouldn't retching I mean you couldn't

973
00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:06,680
read him at all but when he left it's

974
00:49:11,489 --> 00:49:09,140
like he said and there's also a many of

975
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:11,499
you wouldn't Cheryl the very next day

976
00:49:17,069 --> 00:49:14,450
that one haunting left he said there is

977
00:49:20,249 --> 00:49:17,079
no doubt in my mind that these guys

978
00:49:23,799 --> 00:49:20,259
generally went through something and

979
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:23,809
then the sheriff the next day and they

980
00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:26,630
got the radio interview posted up on a

981
00:49:35,620 --> 00:49:31,160
oh oh no a little website that I got

982
00:49:38,589 --> 00:49:35,630
Andrew Hoffman made up and he Michelle

983
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:38,599
said over radio and said you know

984
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:40,970
there's no doubt it was really reluctant

985
00:49:48,460 --> 00:49:43,609
when these guys come in that you could

986
00:49:51,249 --> 00:49:48,470
see the fear on them and you know that

987
00:49:56,349 --> 00:49:51,259
made them credible so we know that

988
00:50:01,809 --> 00:49:56,359
something happened and it's I mean being

989
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:01,819
only 18 years old or so you you were

990
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:06,079
really in the limelight you were kind of

991
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:09,920
found out by the media you you lived way

992
00:50:15,380 --> 00:50:12,540
back in an area that you said it was

993
00:50:22,990 --> 00:50:15,390
pretty hard and amazing that they found

994
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:23,000
you and this is this is amazing that the

995
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:25,980
apparently were there was chatter of

996
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:30,050
this throughout Mississippi correct oh

997
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:35,160
yes sir and you know you can't hide from

998
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:37,410
the press I figured that out long time

999
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:37,859
ago

1000
00:50:44,089 --> 00:50:40,890
I did I would get lost sometimes going

1001
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:44,099
to where I live and it was just a little

1002
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:46,140
bribe old country road back in there

1003
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:49,710
were no signs or nothing no it would be

1004
00:50:55,819 --> 00:50:51,630
kinda scary if you didn't read about

1005
00:50:59,390 --> 00:50:55,829
other tribal down that road so but they

1006
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,400
managed they they kept on me up I got

1007
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:01,920
sick I know one of them stuck the camera

1008
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:04,170
in my face one day and I died the camera

1009
00:51:09,859 --> 00:51:07,140
I told them to put it down and that

1010
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:09,869
camera cost me $600 by the time the

1011
00:51:15,020 --> 00:51:12,480
judge got through with me I mean it was

1012
00:51:17,569 --> 00:51:15,030
just a middle time for me going through

1013
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,579
all this and I didn't want to talk about

1014
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:20,640
it I didn't want to live through this

1015
00:51:28,910 --> 00:51:25,440
thing and you know the older you get the

1016
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:28,920
more you learn to deal with things but

1017
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:31,050
when you're eight ten years old you're

1018
00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:33,450
still really trying to catch on the

1019
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:35,099
light and learn life

1020
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:39,240
I just turned 65 the other day and I can

1021
00:51:41,710 --> 00:51:41,160
deal with about anything that comes my

1022
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:41,720
way

1023
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:53,130
you met other people like Budd Hopkins

1024
00:52:01,609 --> 00:51:56,730
which is very impressive and with I

1025
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:01,619
guess the interesting thing to me is the

1026
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:05,970
you know amount of time the initial time

1027
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:08,940
and I guess you would call it missing

1028
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:10,890
time how much time do you think took

1029
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:14,730
place when you were actually on the yard

1030
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:17,520
and then and then in the ship or in the

1031
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:22,890
on the table I don't know it was uh it's

1032
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:25,770
hard to say because that happened you

1033
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:26,040
know

1034
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,190
it was October those Sun just went down

1035
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:31,680
you know but the moon was falling expire

1036
00:52:38,060 --> 00:52:36,570
and it was about eleven twelve o'clock I

1037
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:38,070
guess when we got to be Sheriff

1038
00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:41,220
Department so you know we spent a pretty

1039
00:52:49,820 --> 00:52:45,150
good deal of time in there and say my

1040
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:49,830
kid just flew by but when you're sturdy

1041
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:52,440
when you're in pain I describe to

1042
00:52:58,600 --> 00:52:56,610
somebody one time this is like all you

1043
00:53:01,280 --> 00:52:58,610
said no you can't swatching can be

1044
00:53:03,260 --> 00:53:01,290
somebody drives up in a band kick your

1045
00:53:06,940 --> 00:53:03,270
door there and grab you take you out in

1046
00:53:10,310 --> 00:53:06,950
that band give you an examination and

1047
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:10,320
you think you're gonna die it that's a

1048
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:13,380
crime it's like home invasion

1049
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:15,690
it's the same thing if you said no

1050
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:17,850
riverbank to me it's the most nights you

1051
00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:20,280
often you fishing minding your own

1052
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:24,750
business and you know I just don't feel

1053
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:27,720
like it was right to them to do it

1054
00:53:35,180 --> 00:53:30,330
especially something scary is what they

1055
00:53:37,550 --> 00:53:35,190
were know and the the the way that you

1056
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:37,560
it's so mind-boggling the way that you

1057
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:41,250
describe them kind of like that they

1058
00:53:46,220 --> 00:53:43,380
look at least the drawings that I've

1059
00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:46,230
seen of the I guess you would call them

1060
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:49,590
the ugly ones they look right there

1061
00:53:58,820 --> 00:53:56,970
eerie looking they are and now video

1062
00:54:02,890 --> 00:53:58,830
female looking one

1063
00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:02,900
she wasn't really that bad but I think

1064
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:07,470
that all she had been practicing talking

1065
00:54:14,690 --> 00:54:10,410
to make you feel comfortable and she

1066
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:14,700
probably was practicing oh I think she

1067
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:17,520
was really masked I don't know under her

1068
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:20,610
mask or she would really look like but

1069
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:23,490
they probably studied you before they

1070
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:25,530
get down and know what scary and what's

1071
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:29,610
not but you know find about it they I

1072
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:35,250
felt like a lab animal I've talked about

1073
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:36,890
all

1074
00:54:43,130 --> 00:54:39,720
you know how people used to experiment

1075
00:54:46,610 --> 00:54:43,140
on animals how we used today you know

1076
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:46,620
that's what I felt like and that has

1077
00:54:57,010 --> 00:54:50,040
actually got me closer to animals cause

1078
00:55:00,680 --> 00:54:57,020
I felt like warm man yeah it was a it I

1079
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,690
yeah the disregard for they just just

1080
00:55:06,590 --> 00:55:02,880
getting done whatever needs to get done

1081
00:55:09,050 --> 00:55:06,600
and right like you said kicking in the

1082
00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:09,060
door I think that's a really amazing way

1083
00:55:13,460 --> 00:55:11,790
to put it and one that society can grab

1084
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:13,470
hold of because yeah you were just

1085
00:55:22,210 --> 00:55:15,810
fishing it wasn't like you were asking

1086
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:22,220
for any of this and I wanted to ask you

1087
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:25,260
where people can get a hold of your book

1088
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:29,010
that's easiest anything that you wanted

1089
00:55:36,770 --> 00:55:31,490
them to check out things of that nature

1090
00:55:40,810 --> 00:55:36,780
Kelvin ah the only places settlement he

1091
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:40,820
said right here in Pascagoula is Amazon

1092
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:44,640
they can go to the book section under

1093
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:46,980
Amazon just google my neighbor in the

1094
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:48,930
first book is past the goal of the

1095
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:51,210
closest encounter of my story Calvin

1096
00:56:02,450 --> 00:55:55,440
Parker the book he just came out last

1097
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:02,460
month this new the new evidence you know

1098
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:04,740
I can't even think of the name of it

1099
00:56:11,050 --> 00:56:07,710
sometimes mm-hmm ask for go to the story

1100
00:56:14,590 --> 00:56:11,060
continues new evidence and new witnesses

1101
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:14,600
and believe it or not since then

1102
00:56:22,820 --> 00:56:19,920
Pascagoula has thought enough of me to

1103
00:56:25,610 --> 00:56:22,830
put up a historical marker but it'd be

1104
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:25,620
tough for the rest of my life and for a

1105
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:28,500
long time and they keep it up and I went

1106
00:56:34,310 --> 00:56:32,040
to the dedication of that they had a big

1107
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:34,320
thing with the city the the mayor come

1108
00:56:42,980 --> 00:56:39,690
out some historical the Historical

1109
00:56:44,330 --> 00:56:42,990
Society came out they had a big thing at

1110
00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:44,340
the Historical Marker

1111
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:46,740
and you know that was quite an honor

1112
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:49,170
because I wasn't used to all this

1113
00:56:51,809 --> 00:56:49,930
publicity

1114
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:51,819
I just kind of stayed in the back and

1115
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:54,730
now these books has really put me in a

1116
00:57:02,790 --> 00:56:59,440
spot line where I didn't motivate but

1117
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:02,800
what is done is brought me closer to my

1118
00:57:07,530 --> 00:57:05,470
community the place that I live and I

1119
00:57:11,069 --> 00:57:07,540
still read within five miles of where

1120
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:11,079
this happens when this happen I go by my

1121
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,000
boat pretty regular and I get involved

1122
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:17,920
in all the stuff that Pascagoula has

1123
00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:20,410
going on and the coastal counties down

1124
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:25,390
here I donate a lot of time and do a lot

1125
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:27,609
of charitable work and things like here

1126
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:29,880
just getting involved in the community

1127
00:57:37,799 --> 00:57:34,690
because for 46 years I was a recluse

1128
00:57:39,930 --> 00:57:37,809
I did not come out of hiding I wouldn't

1129
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:39,940
talk to nobody too much about my family

1130
00:57:44,940 --> 00:57:43,210
and I didn't have that many friends the

1131
00:57:48,270 --> 00:57:44,950
friends that I had were good friends

1132
00:57:51,930 --> 00:57:48,280
true friends and we all lived here on

1133
00:57:54,839 --> 00:57:51,940
dae-jung Mississippi coast and we all

1134
00:57:57,210 --> 00:57:54,849
had boats and every summer we're all

1135
00:57:59,849 --> 00:57:57,220
made up and with fish together or go out

1136
00:58:02,430 --> 00:57:59,859
on the sandbars and camp out and stay

1137
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:02,440
and swim together now that's the friends

1138
00:58:06,299 --> 00:58:04,510
that I had did in the winter with all go

1139
00:58:08,940 --> 00:58:06,309
our separate ways we would see each

1140
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:08,950
other at the summer unless one of us

1141
00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:11,410
needed each other for something didn't

1142
00:58:16,650 --> 00:58:14,740
we would go and help this person and you

1143
00:58:20,099 --> 00:58:16,660
know no questions asked just whatever

1144
00:58:23,579 --> 00:58:20,109
they need that's the type of friends I

1145
00:58:27,870 --> 00:58:23,589
had just a handful of and it was true

1146
00:58:29,730 --> 00:58:27,880
friendship and my family still never

1147
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:29,740
really asked me about it and I said I

1148
00:58:35,010 --> 00:58:32,170
told them the story since the books came

1149
00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:35,020
out of course my wife passed she gets

1150
00:58:43,049 --> 00:58:39,790
involved she she goes these last year

1151
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:43,059
I've done several conferences at all and

1152
00:58:47,339 --> 00:58:45,250
she would go with me on them they would

1153
00:58:50,190 --> 00:58:47,349
pay my way and you know give me a little

1154
00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:50,200
speaking fee and I would take out not

1155
00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:52,809
her train ticket with it I mean it

1156
00:58:59,490 --> 00:58:57,460
wasn't that much and we got to spend a

1157
00:59:01,500 --> 00:58:59,500
lot of time together she got to travel

1158
00:59:03,070 --> 00:59:01,510
with me and it's brought actually

1159
00:59:05,530 --> 00:59:03,080
brought us closer

1160
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:05,540
but is kinda like I'm telling everybody

1161
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:08,240
and I was serious

1162
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:13,130
I'm working on my houseboat now and I've

1163
00:59:18,010 --> 00:59:16,160
got a few things to wrap up in here and

1164
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:18,020
what I know I'm getting on my houseboat

1165
00:59:24,460 --> 00:59:21,440
and I'm going off grid any it would be

1166
00:59:27,970 --> 00:59:24,470
hard for anybody to get in contact but I

1167
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:27,980
did tell the publisher and hit stop

1168
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:30,640
we've got movie deals working and stuff

1169
00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:34,370
which you know my rate of it's made

1170
00:59:41,170 --> 00:59:36,980
without all this bull and there's no it

1171
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:41,180
had been no money in the books what I

1172
00:59:47,140 --> 00:59:45,200
get I usually give back but uh I did

1173
00:59:50,350 --> 00:59:47,150
tell the publisher that I will hang

1174
00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:50,360
around till we got all this penny stuff

1175
00:59:55,810 --> 00:59:53,420
and then I would go but I hadn't made

1176
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:55,820
any more I told her about that wasn't

1177
00:59:59,080 --> 00:59:57,770
going in to conferences this year and I

1178
01:00:01,840 --> 00:59:59,090
made that I'm not

1179
01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:01,850
I enjoyed the ones that I went to now I

1180
01:00:07,060 --> 01:00:03,470
met some great people

1181
01:00:09,820 --> 01:00:07,070
and you would figure you know I figured

1182
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:09,830
my I told my wife who was doing us in

1183
01:00:17,110 --> 01:00:13,040
there it might be a few weirdos in there

1184
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:17,120
know that she the people that we met was

1185
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:19,810
good quality down-to-earth people

1186
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:21,110
serious

1187
01:00:25,810 --> 01:00:23,330
and that's the reason name is that and

1188
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:25,820
the reason I was that I'm still in fact

1189
01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:28,000
I still don't know what happened to me

1190
01:00:32,830 --> 01:00:31,070
and I'm just her managers that's the

1191
01:00:37,780 --> 01:00:32,840
reason I'm staying with this as long as

1192
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:37,790
I had and that's that's what we are

1193
01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:40,130
blessed enough to have had John here

1194
01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:42,760
Calvin talking to us about this and

1195
01:00:49,150 --> 01:00:44,990
outlining everything that went down

1196
01:00:52,030 --> 01:00:49,160
forty five plus years ago and shedding

1197
01:00:55,390 --> 01:00:52,040
light on in my opinion possibly the most

1198
01:00:57,550 --> 01:00:55,400
mysterious and intriguing form of alien

1199
01:01:02,890 --> 01:00:57,560
contact this century or among the top

1200
01:01:04,750 --> 01:01:02,900
three and it is it's a it's a blessing

1201
01:01:06,070 --> 01:01:04,760
to have had you on appreciate it so much

1202
01:01:09,550 --> 01:01:06,080
for coming on and chatting with us

1203
01:01:12,540 --> 01:01:09,560
Calvin well I've been Jordan thank you

1204
01:01:15,570 --> 01:01:12,550
for having me I really appreciate you

1205
01:01:18,270 --> 01:01:15,580
hope to talk to you soon and and

1206
01:01:21,180 --> 01:01:18,280
have a wonderful have a wonderful

1207
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,190
holiday you too

1208
01:01:25,310 --> 01:01:23,440
everybody have a good Merry Christmas I

1209
01:01:28,530 --> 01:01:25,320
know they don't say Merry Christmas

1210
01:01:30,450 --> 01:01:28,540
anymore most people don't they say Happy

1211
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:30,460
Holidays but it always be Merry

1212
01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:33,520
Christmas and it's Christ's birthday to

1213
01:01:40,580 --> 01:01:37,060
me so you know you can't go wrong with

1214
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:40,590
celebrating the Lord shaggers birthday

1215
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:43,210
no it's good that's a good celebration

1216
01:01:51,140 --> 01:01:46,510
and always always I always put on a few

1217
01:01:55,530 --> 01:01:51,150
extra pounds too so but well how often I

1218
01:01:58,860 --> 01:01:55,540
140 pounds last year and I try to watch

1219
01:02:02,130 --> 01:01:58,870
what I ate the during holidays I catch

1220
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,140
myself wanting to eat something that I'm

1221
01:02:06,450 --> 01:02:04,240
not supposed to but I still go ahead and

1222
01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:06,460
do it sometimes you know moderation food

1223
01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:09,940
and moderation but I just don't want to

1224
01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:13,270
get off the track I was 340 pounds on

1225
01:02:20,580 --> 01:02:17,950
that 100 and ran 170 pounds now matter

1226
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:20,590
of fact my doctor told me last week if I

1227
01:02:24,570 --> 01:02:22,090
didn't go back to eight and I'm starting

1228
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:24,580
to - so maybe the holidays it is a

1229
01:02:30,180 --> 01:02:27,250
blessing for me that's a good thing

1230
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:30,190
that's a good excuse to eat for the

1231
01:02:34,620 --> 01:02:33,970
holidays I have today it I think it's a

1232
01:02:37,470 --> 01:02:34,630
great one

1233
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:37,480
well thanks so much sir appreciate you

1234
01:02:44,580 --> 01:02:40,450
coming on and I hope to talk to you in

1235
01:02:46,350 --> 01:02:44,590
the future soon we will anytime you know

1236
01:02:50,730 --> 01:02:46,360
how to get out of you thank you

1237
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:50,740
all right take care enjoy this what a

1238
01:02:55,890 --> 01:02:53,650
great guy Calvin Parker definitely read

1239
01:02:59,070 --> 01:02:55,900
the books are they're amazing the

1240
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:59,080
Pascagoula case is one just continues to

1241
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:00,480
fascinate

1242
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:05,609
I delve into researching it through

1243
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:08,690
books like those that he mentioned and

1244
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:11,940
definitely check them out they are

1245
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:16,380
amazing and until next time keep your

1246
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:20,010
eyes to the skies feet on the ground but